Vanderbilt Basketball by the Numbers: A Pessimist's View
Vanderbilt's Final Record: 23-11
Vanderbilt's Record after February 19: 3-5
Number of games lost in which Vandy held a double-digit lead: 5
Number of times Vandy was decisively blown out: One (vs. Arkansas).
Record in Games Decided in Overtime or by Three Points or Less: 1-7
Team FG% in the final two minutes (in regulation and OT) of these games: 21.4% (6-28)
Team FT% in the final two minutes (in regulation and OT) of these games: 60% (12-20)
Team FG% for the entire season: 45.8%
Team FT% for the entire season: 74.3%
Team Rebounds per Game in 23 wins: 39.4 (+5.1 margin vs. opponents)
Team Rebounds per Game in 11 losses: 31.7 (-3 margin vs. opponents)
Team Three-Point Percentage in Four Postseason Games: 28.6% (26-91, or 6.5-22.75 per game)
Team Three-Point Percentage in 30 Regular Season Games: 38.6% (243-630, or 8.1-21 per game)
Number of players projected to be first-round draft picks by Draft Express: 3
Number of NCAA Tournament games Vanderbilt's three prospects have won: 0
Average Seed of Opponents that have beaten Vanderbilt in this span: 12.5
Number of SEC Tournament games Vanderbilt's three prospects have won: 3
Number of SEC Tournament games Vanderbilt's three prospects have won against ranked teams: 0
Games Decided in the Final Possession Where John Jenkins or Festus Ezeli took the team's final shot: 1 (vs. Florida, where Jenkins drew a pair of foul shots to send the game into overtime).
Wait, so took the final shot in the team's one possession games?: Rod Odom (vs. West Virginia, vs. Richmond), Brad Tinsley (twice vs. Missouri), Andre Walker (vs. Marquette), Jeffery Taylor (vs. South Carolina), and...no one (vs. Kentucky, vs. Tennessee).
Team FG% in the Postseason: 42.7% (94-220)
Team FG% in the Regular Season: 46.3% (777-1677)
Team FT% in the Postseason: 75.3% (67-89)
Team FT% in the Regular Season: 73.8% (569-777)
Festus Ezeli's Postseason Scoring: 14 ppg, 22-31 from the field (71%)
Festus Ezeli's Regular Season Scoring: 13 ppg, 58.5 FG%
John Jenkins's Postseason Scoring: 20 ppg, 19-41 (46.3%)
John Jenkins's Regular Season Scoring: 19.5 ppg, 46.2 FG%
Jeffery Taylor's Postseason Scoring: 16.5 ppg, 23-51 (45.1%)
Jeffery Taylor's Regular Season Scoring: 14.7 ppg, 44.9 FG%
Incoming Top 100 Prospects: 2 (Dai-Jon Parker, Kedren Johnson)
Number of rotational players who have exhausted their NCAA eligibility: 0 (Duffman doesn't count).
Days until the College World Series Begins: Three months.
Days until the Vanderbilt football Black and Gold spring game: 29.
Days until Pete's Wicked Ale's Rally Cap Seasonal ships again: 13
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Why though?
It’s not even like one or two of the players have that killer instinct. NONE of them do. No one has ever shown that they can “turn it on” when they need to. I know JJ, JT and Festus are all great players but I’ve never really seen any of them truly rise up to the occasion like Shan used to do. As they say though, there’s always next year. Go ’Dores.
I live in the OC.
The one in OH.
The interesting thing to me
Is that offensively the team’s three primary players all got better, in general, and they ended up playing the same way, if not worse, in 4 postseason games.
by Christian D'Andrea on Mar 18, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
*they meaning the team in this scenario. Obviously there’s a lot more to the case than just the statistics, but if you looked at those scoring figures, I bet you wouldn’t predict a mediocre 2-2 record in the games that count.
by Christian D'Andrea on Mar 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think JJ does have killer instinct
Just no one (himself/CKS/other players) knows how to get him the ball. I think he will be that player, and I think next season he’ll learn how to get that shot.
Or maybe he has the seed of that killer instinct, just not developed yet.
I think if he stays 4 years he’ll be one of the great Dores’ when he leaves, with postseason success to match. (Though I recognize it might be a stretch to hope for him to stay past next season.)
That's the problem.
Not that nobody could get him the ball, but that somebody NEEDED to get him the ball (i.e. he was unable to create his own shot. I believe that Jenkins has everything from a mental standpoint that we want, but absolutely needs to work on his ball handling skills. They are below average for a guard.
by Jason Fukuda on Mar 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
let's all take a moment to thank Tennessee
for dimming the pain just slightest bit.
Currently down 30 to Michigan.
The tears of a Vol are like drinking champagne out of a stripper's brassiere
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
I wanted to come in here and thank the basketball gods for letting UT lose by 30
It takes the sting away just a little. Very little, but still.
Killer
Well- Fes DID break someone’s nose. :) I think he is still learning his game, which interferes with the killer instinct thing. Jeff is the one we need with the killer instinct and he does NOT have it. When he gets a small dose of self-confidence, he can look pretty good (i.e. LSU), but that REAL killer instinct is hidden by insecurity.
Agree- THANK YOU VOLS!!!!
Excellent summmary
What really jumped out at me was the stat of 1-7 in overtime or three point or less games. Can’t imagine anyone is going pro this year so hopefully next year will be fantastic. (or heads will roll). Frankly I’m still numb. I would like to hear Stallings address this season and what he is going to do about it to be better next year.last night I wrote somewhere that we should get Shan Foster to provide lessons in emotional intensity. In the light of day, i still think he should visit the team several times each year. (if allowed by NCAA)My bracket is torn up and I’m done with the tourney. I’ll watch the women play and I’m excited to hear news from baseball and football. My unopened celebratory champagne from last night is now re chilling. UTs massive failure will now be the talk of the land and I will drink to that. I am truly excited about football and baseball and I really do think our basketball team will be great next year. Again, you do a wonderful job with this site and I appreciate all the work you put into it. Go Dores!
Takeaways from three years of first-round upsets
An ignominious distinction, from espn’s article on yesterday’s game:
“The Commodores became the first program in NCAA tournament history to lose in three consecutive round of 64 games as a No. 5 seed or better.”
We must acknowledge that the underachievement of our program has reached all-time historic levels. True, you have to have a relatively strong program during the regular season to consistently obtain 4 and 5 seeds in the tournament. That means something, and no matter what anyone says, I’d rather lose in the first round of the NCAA tournament than play deep into the NIT. But for better or worse, all that the majority of college-basketball viewing Americans care about is “March Madness,” which is the NCAA tournament. Quite frankly, even as a season-ticket holder, I can’t say that my own sentiments are that different. And on that stage, we are now a historic failure. If you thought people were picking against us in the tournament this year, just wait until next year. I doubt this post will be the last time that you hear the above-quoted statistic.
There are lots of strategic reasons for this year’s collapse (e.g., consistently weak perimeter defense, trouble getting our best players shots in clutch possessions) as there were last year (defensive rebounding, toughness) and in 2008 (over-reliance on a single player, difficulty winning on the road). But aside from weak defensive rebounding (which actually wasn’t as big a problem yesterday, likely due to Richmond’s relative incompetence at rebounding, except for their critical five-possession stretch in the second half), the most glaring common denominators between these teams—other than losing in tournaments—are Coach Stallings (and his crew) and the name on the jersey.
Actually, after scouring the box scores, I realized that there is another statistic, perhaps less obvious, that should concern us. From behind the three-point line: Siena, 9-20 (45%); Murray State, 7-15 (45%); Richmond, 12-24 (50%). Overall three-point shooting percentage in NCAA men’s basketball over the past five years: 35%. (I’m not sure what the statistic is for the average 13 or 14 seed historically, and I expect it’s probably a little about 35%, but it’s nowhere close to 45-50%.) Simply put, we’re getting killed from three. Year after year.
Back to the common denominator. Not a single player who played yesterday in the loss to Richmond also logged minutes in the game against Siena in 2008 (with the exception of Andre Walker, who logged 18 minutes against Siena and 2.7 seconds against Richmond). And one of the biggest weaknesses with this year’s squad, the lack of an “alpha dog” to step up and take over when we needed it, is the polar opposite of a weakness of the 2008 edition, which over-relied on Shan Foster’s outside shooting—which was stunning at times (e.g., senior night vs. Mississippi State), consistently strong (he shot 47% for the season), but not the foundation on which to build a deep NCAA tournament run (he only scored 13 points in the upset against Siena and didn’t even attempt a shot until the game was already almost out of reach). We’ve had different players, and different weaknesses, spanning across this ignomious streak. In short, the players aren’t the problem.
Is the problem the name on the jersey? That is, is there such stigma associated with being a Vanderbilt basketball player that our otherwise-talented players and teams just can’t win in March? It didn’t use to be the case, at least. As was well documented yesterday in a post on Anchor of Gold, over the past thirty years Vanderbilt has been the Cinderella about as many times as the fallen Goliath. See http://www.anchorofgold.com/2011/3/16/2053353/a-gentle-reminder-of-vandys-postseason-successes. Going forward, we can only hope for Dai-Jon Parker, Kendren Johnson, ourselves, and others that there isn’t some newfound curse on the jersey. But as superstitious as sports fans can be, we don’t actually believe that the jersey itself is cursed. What we really mean is that there are psychological problems that, it appears, consistently tend to manifest themselves in the players who wear the jersey. And those problems are only attributable to coaching (unless timorous high-school recruits self select for Vanderbilt because they know of this reputation of the program—something I simply cannot believe).
No matter how you cut it, coaching is the root of our psychological problems. This problem, I believe, arises at least partly from recruiting. We all know that Vanderbilt has high academic admissions standards, and that those standards are applied, at least an extent, to its student-athletes (recall the decision not to admit Ron Mercer in the 1990s). But several of the most elite college basketball programs exist at schools with similarly high academic admissions standards (e.g., Duke, UNC, Georgetown, UCLA). So that alone is not the problem. Rather, it’s the type of player that Coach Stallings tends to recruit: they are often relatively more religious (e.g., Shan Foster), soft-spoken (e.g., Jermaine Beal), or alternative in style (e.g., A.J. Oglivy) than their peers at other schools. I must emphasize that these characteristics are not bad in themselves (they’re often virtues), and that my point is not to be critical of our current or former student athletes. I’m simply suggesting that these personality characteristics are somewhwat abnormal among college basketball players generally, that they may correlate with timidity under pressure, and that when they permeate the teams year after year, those teams may be uniquely prone to crumbling in the clutch. We should continue to recruit the soft-spoken three-point assassin, and those players are a huge part of why I love Vanderbilt basketball. But to reach the next level, we may need at least a few players in our rotation who have a contagious "killer instinct" and swagger that infect everyone else—allowing us to extend moderate leads rather than blowing them, and to take opposing teams’ best punches without folding down the stretch. So recruiting—not talent, mind you, but personality—appears to be part of the problem. Coach Stallings should fix that going forward.
But the problem also stems from motivation: how Coach Stallings and his staff motivate those players once they arrive on campus, start up conference play, and eventually step under the bright lights of the Big Dance. I must disclaim up front that I have absolutely no knowledge of what goes on in the locker room before, during, and after games. But my fear (and I doubt I’m alone on this one) is that Coach Stallings does not properly motivate the players for big games, that he does not acknowledge and slay the biggest elephant in the room. You can’t tell me that these players don’t know their recent Vanderbilt basketball history, that it doesn’t enter their minds, to some extent, when things start going poorly during big games. We need someone who can exorcise the demon in the jersey, and if it’s not going to be any one of the players, then it has to be the coach. At least from this fan’s perspective, that has not happened. It needs to.
Coach Stallings is the second-winningest coach in our program’s history (after only legendary Roy Skinner). He has taken us from a middling program to a consistent top-25 team. He has been the SEC coach of the year twice in the past five seasons. Over the same time period, he has presided over two SEC players of the year (and almost a third this year). He runs a clean program with great student-atheletes who make us all proud. He has coached us to more NCAA tournaments in his tenure than any of his predecessors. But when it comes to NCAA tournament performance—arguably the most high-profile and critical measure of success in college basketball—he has fallen woefully short of late.
Despite the Vanderbilt administration’s show of commitment to the football program demonstrated by the recent hiring of Coach James Franklin, I seriously doubt they would even consider making a move against Coach Stallings at this time, even after this most recent in our series of disappointments. Nor should they. With our three marginal NBA prospects considering their future this offseason and two celebrated recruits (who fill important strategic holes in our team) coming in next season, this would be a bad time to make such a change.
But something needs to change, and in my opinion, it must come from Coach Stallings. I believe in Coach Stallings, in Vanderbilt basketball, and in Memorial Magic. I was lucky enough to attend the Sweet Sixteen game in New Rutherford, New Jersey in 2007 when we took a powerhouse 2-seed Georgetown team down to the final possession, making clutch free throw after clutch free throw along the way. Coach Stallings can win in March. If Taylor, Jenkins, and Festus all stay (as they should), we will have an even better chance again next year. But in the meantime, Coach Stallings must reflect deeply on the recent trend and how to change it. Consistent emphasis on perimeter defense and defensive rebounding are a start. But most importantly, he needs to figure out how to motivate the players so that they thrive, rather than shrink, in March.
by DoubleDore on Mar 18, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Excellent
Great analysis, as have been many of the above comments. I am learning a lot, and I have a lot of hope going forward. I DO agree that we need a leader on the court with some swagger. I just don’t want to destroy the things we all love about the team- just want to improve things so we can handle the big games and get back in not-so-big games (e.g. Arkansas) when they start to go south.
Great stuff.
You should FanPost this so more people can see it. We’ll front page it if you do.
by Christian D'Andrea on Mar 18, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaches are motivators
But there are also things that can’t be taught.
I think that most coaches have a certain number of plays in their motivation book, and generally that working depends a lot on the personality of the coach fitting the way the players are motivated. It is a matter of good coaching as well that the coach be able to individualize his approach to certain players.
I’m not sure Stallings does that last part very well. (For example, I was a little nonplussed by the way Stallings dealt with injured players, almost questioning their devotion to getting back on the court.)
While all good coaches have some ability to handle a certain player differently, it’s a lot harder to change the way you approach your team as a whole. And I think that very few coaches are actually good at motivating a bunch of different kinds of teams. (I.e. see Tom Izzo this year.) The guys who get that rep are often just guys who have good teams that can are so good that, even without the edge, they won’t totally blow it. (I.e. those years of Duke teams that made Sweet 16s, but never went deep).
I think the coaches that do seem to get the most out of their teams year after year really succeed mostly because they are self-aware enough to recruit players who are personality matches for their style. (But that also tends to be guys at schools that have the pull to be picky).
I do think that you are right that the nice, smart guys we tend to get are the kinds of guys that don’t tend to have natural swagger. I also think that while those kinds of guys match what Stallings is trying to do, they might not tend to match Stallings attitude.
I also think that there are just some teams that never learn it. Maybe it has to do with not matching up to the coach, maybe some guys are just less prone to that attitude and it is just less likely that any coach will get that to take.
I think that the biggest problem this year was that we expected being able to rely on Jeff, but he just couldn’t handle it, and that filtered down to the whole team. I think everyone on that team was aware that they had absolutely no idea who to rely on in that late game situation.
I also think that more than anything having to do directly with us, we’ve been unlucky with matchups. I know the last two years we’ve been matched up with the lower seeds that everyone knows are dangerous teams (and I believe Siena was the same way, though I wasn’t here yet so I’m not positive). I think these teams will beat anyone that doesn’t step up.
I’m not saying it doesn’t reflect poorly on us that we haven’t stepped up, but I also don’t think it makes us habitual chokers, we barely lost the last two years with one game decided by a terrific game-winning play, and this year decided by one terrific player’s late game heroics. That’s not to say we didn’t also blow chances to win, but we didn’t fall apart. We played good games and lost to tough teams.
I guess my point on that is, we didn’t choke against vastly inferior teams, we got out toughed by teams no-one wanted to face. Obviously there aren’t really any pushovers once you get below a #2 or 3 seed, but I think our effort in both of the last two years would have beaten most of the #12 or #13 seeds and probably lots of #10 and #11s. Obviously, we did fail to step up and that is lame. I just think that the fact that we did it by losing to #13s and a #12 is misleading, and that it’s not worse than any team (other than a crappy AQ) that loses in the 1st round on 3 straight tournament trips, sucky, but not as historically pathetic as people tend to think.
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I think Jeff will go pro. Long on ball defenders with NBA athleticism who know how to score will always get a shot. Yes he will go lower because teams will question his makeup. But I think he has a very good shot of going in the 1st round, not a sure thing, but a high likelihood. Some teams look for make-up, but some look for talent, especially since Jeff would not be asked to be more than a role-player, and because he does have a higher upside, I think he’s a sure-thing to do very nicely for himself in the draft.
While I’m not rooting for him to leave, I’m not worried about it. And I do think it might be the Ogilvy factor, where obviously you don’t want a guy like that to leave, but sometimes, the team just works better with a less talented or less experienced guy who has the right attitude.
If Jeff leaves, I think we see a LOT of 3 guard set next year with Dai-Jon on the court at the 3 guarding the other team’s best player, I’m also interested to see how Odom progresses and I think he could get a lot better very quickly.
I love this team’s future, and I totally agree that now (right before our best team in years) is not the right time to change coaches (though I do hope VCDW should consider it, just because he should always be considering if we need a change when we fall short of expectations).
I have said it before as well that 1. you don’t want to try anything new with Fes that might interrupt his progress, and 2. that we cannot afford to F up this recruiting cycle both because of how much difference it will make getting or not getting Poythress, as well as the fact that we need a good deep class to replace all of next year’s seniors. We shouldn’t do anything until those guys names are on paper.
It’s also important to remember (and I think you highlighted it very well), that when you see a shortcoming of a coach, it’s easy to forget the good things and to take it for granted that the next coach will be at least as good. In reality it is a big risk, and we have a good thing going that I’m not ready to risk just yet. It’s not “settling for mediocrity” to give another chance to a coach who is still doing pretty well and has done some terrific things.
If we don’t win in the 1st round next year, we should probably fire Stallings, but I think we have a great shot with CKS and the team we have coming back, and I think it would be stupid to risk those chances on the hope that we could get some new coach who we HOPE would be better.
But I join with the others in saying: great post.
Last time we had a junior-heavy team with ...
somewhat passive personalities, we went 3-13 in the conference in one of the worst basketball seasons Vanderbilt has ever had.
That same group stepped up the following year and advanced to the Sweet 16, led by those same somewhat passive juniors who had now become more assertive seniors (particularly Matt Freije).
If this group responds as significantly as that one did, learns how to be assertive, learns how to lead, then we have a chance to be absolutely brilliant next year.
dai jon parker
i like to think dai jon parker might have that swagger were looking for based off his facebook name “Dai-Jon I got em coach Parker”
I think he's going to be pushing CKS to find minutes for him right away
One bright side if Jeff leaves is we can go 3 guard and get DJ into the mix without sacrificing PT for JJ.
I think he and Kedren both will bring some swagger.
I don’t know a ton about Kedren’s personality, but he can’t wait to get on the floor for us (see, him sitting in the front row every single chance he gets). I think that enthusiasm will come out as swagger.
In 2012-13, we can go to an all-swag guard rotation.
Kyle, Kedren, DJ, and if miracles exist JJ.

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