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Gunner Kiel Chooses LSU Over Vanderbilt, Notre Dame

It was a valiant effort, but James Franklin and Vanderbilt ultimately failed in their quest to add the highest profile recruit the school has ever seen. Indiana five-star quarterback Gunner Kiel chose LSU today over finalists Vandy and Notre Dame.

Kiel should have the chance to make an immediate impact at LSU, where the team's quarterback situation is unsettled. Part-time starter Jordan Jefferson will be graduating in 2012 and next year's starting spot is up for grabs. The highly-touted freshman would have had a path of stronger resistance in Nashville, where Jordan Rodgers emerged as Vanderbilt's best quarterback since Jay Cutler. Rodgers will be a senior in 2012.

Rodgers isn't the only accomplished athlete that will be earning snaps behind center next season. Austyn Carta-Samuels, the Mountain West Conference's Freshman of the Year in 2009, will be eligible for the Commodores after transferring from Wyoming. Redshirt freshman Josh Grady, a touted recruit in his own right, will also compete for playing time.

It's a tough loss for Vanderbilt, but it's hard to be too disappointed in the outcome. While Kiel won't be coming to Nashville, three Sports Illustrated All-Americans will make up the greatest recruiting class in Commodore history. The fact that Vandy earned consideration amongst traditional powers like LSU and Notre Dame is an amazing story in its own right. Franklin and his crew have put in a monumental amount of work in their year on Natchez Trace. Their impact has been immediate. Though they'll miss out on adding the team's first ever five-star recruit in 2011, odds are pretty good that Gunner Kiel won't be the last elite prospect to consider playing at Dudley Field.

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The spin on this also happens to be true...

…the top QB in the country considered Vanderbilt but ultimately went in a different direction because we have too much depth at his position.

Brand new Vanderbilt? BRAND NEW VANDERBILT.

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Dec 27, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

The times, they are a-changin'

This is nowhere near the blow that Poythress dealt when he chose Kentucky. I thought of Kiel as an icing-on-the-cake type signing for an already stellar class: James Frankling doesn’t need Kiel to be successful, but having him on the team certainly wouldn’t hurt.

Poythress, on the other hand, was the only notable 2012 recruit to consider us and after years of courting, he spurned us for Kentucky. Now, our already underperforming underclassmen are going to be supported by three prospects who granered a combined total of ZERO offers from the other 15 SEC schools. I will be thrilled if our basketball team makes the NIT next year.

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

by Harbinger of Joy on Dec 27, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Next year is going to hurt, no doubt

but I’m hoping that by fall 2013 we have an effective junior trio of DJP, Hendo and Kedren as the core of the team and some new talent on the way up. Putting all the eggs in the Poythress basket was probably a mistake from the beginning, but hell, you don’t reach, you don’t get.

Someone was mentioning a 4-star RB that de-committed from some SEC school that we might be about to get. I don’t follow recruiting close enough to know what’s doing with stuff like this – I just wait for Josh Grady to tweet it – but maybe it’s time to send CJF out on the basketball trail too…

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Dec 27, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I expected him to come to Vandy

1. Naive optimism, perhaps, but for all his success at LSU, Les Miles hasn’t demonstrated any ability whatever to develop QBs and Notre Dame is such an amazingly cursed school now that I cannot imagine anyone going there voluntarily.

2. Totally unrelated: It’s annoying that when you sign into this blog with Facebook, you’re deposited not back at the post where you began the sign-in but on some random SB Nation page, from whence you must find your way back to the relevant post. If you can fix that, it would be much appreciated. If it’s inherent to SB Nation, I must say it’s a very quirky software platform.

3. Speaking of signing in with Facebook, it’s somewhat irksome that no one here ever uses a real name, including the folks who run the blog. You are not political dissents, voicing bold anti-regime sentiments that would lead to incarceration should your real names be attached to them. You’re talking about a college athletic program, and assuming you don’t work for the University, it’s fully safe for you to attach your real name to your opinions. Hell, I think real names would foster a better sense of community, even though I’d probably never bother to click through to Facebook profiles to learn more about you guys.

by Andrew D. Smith on Dec 27, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Signing in using FB

Opens up a mess of information “sharing” and privacy issues.

by MrManager on Dec 28, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

My name

James A. Webb, IV, Class of 2004.

The only reason I’m using a pseudonym is because I’m not excited about broadcasting to my bosses that I’m writing here. I don’t want them to think that I’m not fully committed to my real job.

by KingJamesIV on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I’ll forward your comment on to SB Nation support. Thanks!

by KingJamesIV on Dec 28, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Facebook Connecting

+1 on that. I would post more but connecting is a huge hassle, especially on an iPhone. It takes about 4 steps.

by foreverhopeful on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your input

I tried to recreate the issue you mentioned above, and unfortunately I cannot. If you’ve already created an account through Facebook and click “connect” in my experience it brings you back to the article you’ve been reading. If you are connecting for the first time through Facebook, it takes you to the SB Nation page after creating an account. A little annoying but nothing that is insurmountable.

As for aliases, there are many reasons why writers wouldn’t want their name on their work — though generally speaking, writers on the network who are credentialed at sporting events use their real names at the request of media directos and under the premise of professionalism. James gives a good reason for not posting under his real name below. Have a good one!

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by Cory Williams on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point, the only reason I use the pseudonym is because people are more familiar with it

But it’s not hard to figure out who I am – my real name is attached to the email I use with the site and my twitter account. But, if you’d like to know more, my name is Christian D’Andrea. I got my Master’s from Peabody in ’08.

by Christian D'Andrea on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my name is probably easy to figure out ...

but not sure I care whether or not someone else wants to use a pseudonym. I’ve used one on the other boards for years.

by BrianSWard on Dec 28, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

QB Competition

I would have to disagree that Kiel’s path to starting QB would of had more resistance at Vandy. He is now up against Zach Mettenberger who was the 11th ranked QB in the country coming out of high school and was going to start for UGA before being dismissed from the team. He lead his team to the the national JUCO championship last season and still has multiple years of eligibility (LSU also has the 10th ranked QB in the country from last years class).

Rodgers did well for Vandy this season but does not possess the same throwing skills as Kiel or Mettenberger. I could see Kiel unseating Rodgers as his style fits with what Franklin really wants to be doing. He is also a senior which means even if Kiel could not overtake him next year the spot wold be his in 2013.

Several things intrigue me about this decision. Interestingly, LSU does not fit the criteria cited by Kiel including a good education and close proximity to home (Notre Dame and Vanderbilt obviously both do). LSU is also not known for a great place to groom a QB (admittedly neither is Vanderbilt but Cutler is a good story and Franklin has his on track record with QBs) as they run they ball a lot and are known for great defense not high scoring throw it out there offenses.

by ATLVANDY on Dec 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

About throwing skills...

This season we saw tremendous growth in Rodgers, and whether it was the more the fact that he was healing after the off-season, or Franklin’s history of quarterback coaching- Rodgers has the intangibles that make for a good fit in our offense and the necessary basics .

As far as comparing his throwing skills to Kiel’s, my observations are a 5 minute video online of Kiel and a season of Rodgers. Kiel is talented, no doubt, but it is hard to say his throwing skills immediately outseat a healthy Rodgers in a Franklin coached offense with a season of experience.

by Brett McReynolds on Dec 28, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Rodger's Stats

My purpose is not to dump on Rodgers but when you look at his numbers he is a below average SEC QB especially as a passer. His passer rating this year was 119.6. Ranking him 87th out of 113 QB’s (source ESPN). As a starter it improved to 132 which isn’t bad but also isn’t great (the top half of the SEC QB’s are 145+). Interstingly 132 would put him even with Louisville’s QB who managed that rating behind what most of been an awful OL (allowed 33 sacks this year). Rodgers passer rating is however bad in the redzone where it drops sub-70. His 9 TD’s v. 9 INT’s is cause for concern. His ability to make things happen with his feet help to offset some of these statistics and we all know there were way too many dropped balls this year but non of these things qualify him to have the same throwing potential as Kiel.

by ATLVANDY on Dec 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Over/Under on number of wins during his tenure at any of the school ...

is definitely the highest at LSU. That’s gotta be a huge part of his decision.

Academics breaks down, because Notre Dame and Vanderbilt carry so much more prestige there.

QB development seems not to be a strong suit at LSU, but that’s not saying he won’t be a great QB there. They do have a recent #1 overall draft pick at the position, so if draft position is important, they could serve him quite well.

Would have been nice, I admit. But, we’re in good hands.

by BrianSWard on Dec 28, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

When does The Vandy D get a shot at him.

I’m not certain of the rotation, but perhaps the Dores will get a chance to test themselves against Gunner one of these days. LSU can go after a guy like him every year. Just another brick in a big oversized half drunk football school wall.

by MikeS90 on Dec 27, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Something never mentioned about LSU until the end

Well, 2 things:

1 – every recruiting class since 2000 has played for a BCS National Championship. Les may appear goofy and they can’t develop good QBs, but that’s a phenomenal fact to share with recruits;

2 – since he’s enrolling early, he can practice and be around the team during their NC preparations this year, and will likely go with the team to the BCS NC game. Kinda cool for a HS senior.

BTW, what team is Wyoming playing in that photo of ACS? I’ve never seen those uni’s before.

by bjbrinkerhoff on Dec 28, 2011 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

You are forgetting

Kris Kentera. His film is pretty impressive and he has a 6’4, ~210 lbs frame to boot.

by MrManager on Dec 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Quarterback

I have to believe that the QB position is wide open for next year. Jordan did not have a good game against Cincinnati or Tennessee. I think the DBs were reading his eyes. We have some outstanding receivers and we need a QB who can get the ball to them.

by vujoe on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

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