Aussie Rule: A.J. Ogilvy, King of Vanderbilt's Success Going Forward
I've posted my follow up comment from Vanderbilt Sports Line's great post about AJ and the future of Vanderbilt Basketball:
Like you, I get that people sometimes get frustrated when AJ (or any other player for that matter) makes a mistake. I just don't understand why AJ draws the ire quite as well as he does...
Seriously. He's human. He's as prone to mistakes as anyone else.
At the same time though, he has sacrificed himself for the team for three seasons. He takes an unbelievable physical pounding in the paint. (I should know, my basketball seats are front and center under the away team basket -- I'm not sure there is anyone with a more up close and personal view of how brutal life in the paint is in the SEC). Frankly, it's an incredible testiment to his toughness that he's able to absorb so many blows from opposing teams and not have sustained any serious injury. We're talking about a player that is sitting in 6th place in fouls drawn per 40 minutes.
AJ is a mighty player, without whom the team would be in shambles. Frankly, the treatment he's receiving from the Commodore family is nothing short of embarrassing and shameful.
Bottom line: AJ deserves better than what an embarrassingly large number of Vandy fans are giving him. I won't blame him in the least if he decides to take his game to the professional level. It's sad to see so many take for granted such a talent.
AJ is already obviously a big man. I hope and pray that he proves to be the "bigger man" when it comes to this foul treatment he's been getting and decides to return -- not for the fans, but for his teammates and coaches.
Please come back, AJ. We need you way more than you need us.
It really is a shame that this is something that needs to be addressed in the first place. The last three years, we've been so spoiled, despite the disappointments of two early exits from the NCAA as four seeds. Without A.J. Ogilvy, there are no four seeds. There's no second place in the SEC this season. There are perhaps no trips to the NCAA Tournament. There's no Vanderbilt 93, Kentucky 52. I hope the ugliness of Commodore nation of late hasn't spoiled his desire to bless us with one more season. Please, AJ, we need you back! If not for us, do it for your teammates who are your brothers on the court. Or for your coach who sacrificed his bonus to keep a promise he made to you to take you and your teammates to your homeland. You've got unfinished business and a legacy waiting for you. You deserve to taste NCAA success. One. More. Year.
Either way, you're still one of my all time favorites ever to don the Black and Gold.
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I think AJ is going to benefit from not having Dolla around next year. Losing his perimeter scoring, assuming the load doesn’t fall on John Jenkins, will mean more iso plays in the paint for Ogilvy, which he converts at a high rate. If he can put together a solid senior year he’ll put himself back in the first round of the NBA Draft, and I think he knows that.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see him declare for the draft and go through some workouts to place his value, but I’d be surprised if he left Vandy before his eligibility is up just because we all know that there’s more he can accomplish here. With him this is a NCAA Tournament team, but without him they’re on the bubble or worse.
Plus, another year mentoring Festus can only mean good things for the squad.
by Christian D'Andrea on Mar 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
I hope you're right
Question: didn’t they shorten the window players have to be evaluated by the NBA scouts prior to having to make a final decision to remain in the draft or withdraw?
I get frustrated with AJ for 2 reasons
The first of which is that he is extremely talented, and I think because of that, I hold him to a higher standard. He is obviously big and strong, but he also has a wide array of post moves. He has everything he needs to dominate on a nightly basis, so it’s perplexing when he disappears or when he misses a shot at the rim because it doesn’t seem like he took it up strong enough. Perhaps this is all unfair, but I think it’s reasonable to expect the most out of your best player.
Second, though I’ll readily admit that I have no numbers or data to back this up, I have this perception that he is consistently outperformed by the best players. Over the last 3 years, Patterson and Chism have dominated AJ despite being very similar in size and style (I think AJ has a much better post game than Chism, actually). Elite players step up and play their best against other elite players, and I don’t feel like I have seen that on a consistent basis from AJ.
That being said, I absolutely believe this team is better with him on it. I don’t know much about our recruits, but we would be very thin in the frontcourt and lack a reliable post scorer if AJ leaves. I have thought since the middle of the ‘08-’09 season that ‘10-’11 was going to be the year this team would be really dangerous. That goes out the window without AJ. We need him back…but we also need him to be at his very best.
Again, I’m not questioning his dedication or his desire to the game and his teammates. I just want him to maximize his talents, and it irks me when I don’t see that happening.
I think this is extremely reasonable and certainly what I would consider to be a fair criticism.
Good response.
by KingJamesIV on Mar 23, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Word.
Lest we forget that he was the only regular contributor who showed up for the Siena game.
Our floor goes down considerably if he’s not back next year. More than that, he’s a good player and a good kid … hope he’s back.
Expectations
Heading into the season, I expected AJ to dominate the SEC and contend for SEC POY. He had a good season, but obviously was a notch below other talented big men (Cousins, Samhan). I think many fans had the same expectations and same disappointment; however, instead of blaming AJ, I think it was my expectations that were off. AJ might not be the best center in the NCAA, but he is the best one we have had in a while.
AJ suffers from doing things well that fans do not appreciate. Unlike Cousins, Varnado, or even Chism, AJ tends to play below the rim. Instead of swatting shots (Varnado), throwing down dunks (Cousins) or being able to step outside and drain big shots (Chism, Patterson), AJ gets to the free throw line and makes his shots. This makes him less exciting to watch, but two free throws are not worth any less than a thunderous dunk.
AJ also gets penalized because of Shan Foster. I used to chalk up AJ’s sophomore numbers (good, but not great) to injury, but I now think that his freshman numbers were inflated because opponents could not afford to focus on him. Instead of focusing on AJ in the post, they were double teaming Shan on the perimeter. While Beal, Jenkins, and Taylor are very talented players, they are not – or in the case of Jenkins and Taylor not yet – Shan Foster. So, AJ’s freshman numbers cannot really be compared to his numbers as a sophomore and junior. He no longer benefits from playing with a guy that can hit a shot from anywhere at anytime.
If AJ comes back, I do not expect him to dominate the SEC. I simply expect him to be a good center – capable of carrying the team at times and disappearing at others. If Jenkins and Taylor can continue to improve, good is all we need from AJ. While he might never be Will Perdue, he is the best Vanderbilt big man since Perdue left. If we want next year’s team to improve on this year’s disappointing finish, we will need AJ in the lineup.
I think the Shan factor is overrated
Sure, there wasn’t an All-American to deflect the attention from AJ, but instead there were two all-SEC players that you had to deny the ball to on the perimeter to stop their offensive attack. This team had more overall talent than in ‘08, so I don’t think you can necessarily make the argument that A.J. was less effective because teams were focusing on him more. I think that may explain a small part of the regression, but not enough to close the gap between his freshman and junior years.
We do need him next year, without a doubt. Even if he slips a bit more, he’s still a huge piece of this team, and his absence would leave a huge hole to fill. However, I think knowing that 2011 presents his last shot to truly make an impact on the NBA scouts, we’ll see a more aggressive AJ – more moves to the hoop, more aggression and shot blocking on defense, and stronger play on both sides of the court.
by Christian D'Andrea on Mar 24, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thinking out loud. More mouths to feed?
Nope, he usage rates are fairly consistent over the years.
In 08 AJ used 26.7%shots and 28.3%poss
In 09 AJ used 26.4%shots and 28.6%poss
In 10 AJ used 26.5%shots and 28.6%poss
Where does the regression take place? Glancing at the numbers, only his 2 point shooting percentage has gone down every year. At the same time he has increased his free throw rate and cut down on his turnovers.
My thought has always been that he was not the typical freshmen when he came in. He was a much more polished player than the typical freshmen. This might leave less room for improvement. I agree with some of the other comments that the hope was as he improved his body, his numbers would improve.
It's not just AJ though, the whole team needs weight training
They also need to practice being pushed around while trying to finish in the paint. I remember in high school playing for Coach Bowers at MBA when we had a post drill where the defender held one of those football blocking pads and would just incessantly pound the guy with the ball to simulate rough play. It was a great drill though because it taught you to focus harder on the rim and balance your body better on contact, especially when you were in the air and the defender would smack you with the pad. The contact simulated in this drill is overkill, as you can probably tell by the description, but it makes game contact seem much weaker.
by BigRiceVandyJim on Mar 25, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

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