What Now for Football?
Robbie Caldwell is gone. So too, is John Stokes. Both will be missed. But while Stokes's replacement is relatively clear (I'm betting on DeAndre Jones), Caldwell's is anything but. Equally muddled are the fates of the rest of the coaching staff, and Vice Chancellor David Williams has made it pretty clear that he won't be vouching for their credibility to any new hires. Vanderbilt football now stands at a crossroads, days removed from a wasted season, their reputation as low as it has been in a decade.
So who's next?
The Commodore faithful - few but proud - have made it clear that another no-name, low-level hire won't cut it. Even our modest gamethreads have been buzzing with excitement - and anger - over who will be brought in to turn this team around:
Now hear this: It’s 2010 and our athletic teams are respectable-to-competitive-to-fearsome pretty much across the board, with one exception. It’s time for the trustees and the big-money donors to get out the checkbook and put together the money to go out and get a KNOWN GOOD BCS-CONFERENCE HEAD COACH.
And when the first name to come up in the rumor mill was Navy's Offensive Coordinator Ivin Jasper, the reaction was pessimistic, at best:
Please God, No!
The Navy OC? That’s just the type of high profile hire we need. Somebody on West End doesn’t get it.
I hope hope hope that isn't true.
Seriously
Jasper’s been the QB coach at Navy since 2002. What, is the passing offense not bad enough?
Jasper's standing in the coaching search was shot down by Clay Travis not long afterward, but the level of panicked uncertainty amongst the fans still exists. Simply put, this is not a team that goes out and makes impact hires. This is a team that plucks Bobby Johnsons from FCS schools on their best days, and washouts like Woody Widenhofer at their worst. And while we can dream of pickups like Mike Leach, Tommy Tuberville, Gus Malzahn, or - sigh - Philip Fulmer, every fan knows that they're betting on a long shot when it comes to making any sort of high profile coaching hire. The money, the administration, the fanbase, the prestige; all of these factors create a pretty stacked "Cons" list when considering the next great Commodore coach.
Further complicating things is Randy Shannon's firing at Miami. Now Vanderbilt doesn't even have the most attractive open position in its region; and while the 'Dores likely can't compete for candidates with the Hurricanes, they now have to worry about opportunistic high-profile hires leveraging an offer in Nashville to boost their stock with the administration in Coral Gables. Vandy's coaching search - which barely registered a blip in the national consciousness on Saturday - has already been swept under the rug by Monday. That's not much of a selling point for the SEC's perpetual basement dwellers.
And in reality, that's what the Vanderbilt administration is offering - the worst football tradition in any BCS Conference. For too long coaching in Nashville has been a low-pressure, no-win situation - a job for suckers and washouts, presenting lottery-level odds for success. Only Bobby Johnson left Nashville in recent times with a better reputation than when he started, and that came on the heels of a 2-10 season. The culture of the program doesn't just encourage mediocrity - it breeds it.
The excuses no longer hold water. Not when Stanford and Northwestern can sustain success. Hell, even UConn, with just a decade of FBS experience, is in line for a BCS appearance. It's time to turn the reins over to an established coach - maybe even someone whose resume has been tainted recently - and give them the chance to create their own legacy. Someone who can use Vanderbilt's record in the classroom as a selling point rather than an detraction. But make sure they know that 4-8 seasons won't be considered acceptable anymore. And that beating Tennessee once every other decade is the recipe for a kick in the ass and a shove out the door.
The head coaching position isn't the only thing that needs a change in Nashville. The entire culture does. Unless the apathy and Lilliputian standards of the fans and administration change, it won't matter who mans the sidelines for the Commodores. We've leaned on our academic standards and the strength of the SEC for too long, and like any crutch, we've become dependent on it. As fans, we have to reject "good enough" until that standard becomes a consistent presence in a bowl game. As a university, Vanderbilt needs to realize that cultivating a winning product means something to their students and alumni. Whoever steps into that coaching position is going to need a hurricane of change behind him, but it's possible. And that's what it will take to turn this team around.
I'm going to close with another quote, since I don't think I could put it any better than VandyImport did:
No rush hires, no longshots, no rolling the dice – take the time and spend the money and GET THE RIGHT GUY. I’m sick to death of being a laughingstock, of being the odd team out when TEN OTHER TEAMS in the conference are going to bowls, of beating our "rival" once every quarter-century, of sitting around on Saturdays wondering "how are we going to screw it up this week," of being the cautionary tale for my wife and her other Cal alums of "it could be worse."
I don’t want excuses. I want WINNERS. And it has to start at the top. Now.
We may be Vanderbilt - but football still means something to us. It won't be easy. It won't be impossible either.
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Ivan Jasper
Are you kidding me. You have the balls to make fun of a guy whose offense has led the nation in rushing 4 out of the last 6 years. You guys can’t even beat yourself yet you want to make fun of other FAR MORE SUCCESSFULL coaches or programs than what you have. By the way, three quarters of the players you recruit couldn’t even qualify to get into a military academy making his success even more amazing giving that they have some of the highest academic standards in the Country. Yes, even higher than Vandy’s.
The triple option that Ivan Jasper works with is one of the most exciting offenses out there. Not many felt that way when he first showed up but after 8 years of 7 – 10 wins per year plus bowl appearances and sold out stadiums, the triple option is a great offense for programs that recruite great athletes and don’t worry about recruiting high profile future Heisman Trophy winners. Maybe Vandy could learn how to win under a coach like Jasper.
First off, this team beats itself every week.
Secondly, no one here even suggested that Vanderbilt was more selective than the Academy. What you guys do is incredible with the talent you have. I have the good fortune to head to Army/Navy every other year and I always leave impressed on many levels. That’s not the issue here.
Third, Jasper is a great fit for Navy, not such a great fit for Vanderbilt. The niche offense is great, but it not what this team needs. And you’ve got to admit, Navy’s run-heavy, triple option offense is a niche program. While it could lead to success, the other problem that Jasper would have to deal with is the culture of losing, and hiring Navy’s OC won’t fix that. I’m not questioning the man’s credentials, but he’d be fighting a hugely uphill battle in Nashville.
Hell, I even think the triple option could be a great fit for this team as currently constituted (stacked at RB, not so much at QB/WR, but with a mobile QB), but I don’t think Jasper would be the answer. We need a bigger name and someone who can balance a creative niche along with a traditional offense, at least in the early going. As much respect as I have for the Midshipmen, hiring Ivan Jasper as your first choice isn’t the message that this team needs to send right now. Ken Niumatalolo, however, would be a better fit.
by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 29, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
The other issue is that we've been down this road before.
Gerry DiNardo was the OC at Colorado, running their triple-option off the back of a shared national championship in 1990. He came to Vanderbilt and made coach of the year his first season out at 5-6. I think he racked another 5-6 in 1994. Those were the high points before he fled for LSU (and eventually the XFL’s Birmingham Thunderbolts).
Personally, I believe that the triple-option is the sort of thing that can certainly get you from 2 wins to 5 in the SEC just on the General Neyland Single Wing Novelty Theory, but it’s not going to get you from 5 wins to 8. If it were, Vanderbilt and Kentucky would have done much better in the early 90s when they both ran variations; instead, Sports Illustrated characterized the 1993 VU-UK game as “the I-Bone versus the I-Sore.”
More to the point: Navy has been running a triple-option attack for years if not a couple of decades. The system is in place, the coaching staff has maintained the continuity, and the players never deal with the three-offenses-in-four-years problems of a place with more coaching turnover. That kind of stability pays dividends. It would take at least a couple of years to recruit to the new system and reassign existing players to fit the scheme.
Finally, there’s the mild issue of defense. Defense is what runs the SEC, and defense is what Vanderbilt has hung its hat on in the leanest of times. Hiring an option OC as head coach doesn’t do anything to address the defensive shortcomings of the team, which is one of the reasons I’m not sold on Gus Malzahn as the solution (unless one seriously thinks that his teams would hang a point a minute every time out and render defense superfluous when you’re scoring 60 a week, which I don’t). Related to this is that the SEC tends to put its speed on defense, and a fast defense that plays Cover-0 and stays in its lanes religiously will stuff the hell out of an option running game with inferior speed and strength – which is what will happen if the Commodores implement a triple option next year with the existing talent.
Navy quite frankly has one hell of an attack, as Army seems to find out to its chagrin most every year. But right now, I would argue that Vandy doesn’t have the same talent as Navy, let alone experience in the system, and they’re going to be playing against teams that have much stronger and faster defensive talent than the bulk of the teams Navy faces. To say that another team’s offense is perfectly fungible in an SEC defensive environment is, to me, a dubious proposition at best.
All that is beside the point, though, as the main need Vanderbilt has isn’t a hot OC, it’s somebody with years of experience running a BCS-conference program in terms of coaching, staffing, recruiting and administration. No college OC in the world has what we need right now, or else they wouldn’t be an OC, they’d be a head coach already. Ultimately that’s why we need somebody else’s known good commodity, because frankly our football program isn’t in a position to take a flyer on the next big thing.
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Nov 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My comment on Jasper was based out a similar belief to Vandy Import's final point.
What I want for our program is an experienced head coach and preferably one with a name that will draw great assistants, staff, and recruits. Nothing against Jasper…I just think that is what our program needs.
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For: “Ultimately that’s why we need somebody else’s known good commodity, because frankly our football program isn’t in a position to take a flyer on the next big thing.”
This is exactly right. Vandy fans just don’t have the will to get excited for someone they don’t know they can believe in.
To put VI’s point another way, the odds are so stacked against even a good coach at Vandy, that it’s just too hard to believe someone will be successful while also having to learn on the fly. That’s why Vandy fans want a more known quantity.
But it will be tough no doubt not only finding a known quantity who would consider us, but balancing the desire to make a splashy choice and the need to get someone who can build long term.
I have a feeling we’ll get something between what we all dreamed and what we all dread. A relatively successful, but ultimately relatively unknown head coach from a smaller D-I school.
My first thought was “NEVADA” but Chris Ault isn’t going anywhere. Neither are Pat Hill or Chris Petersen (sp?) at Fresno and Boise. I’d love to get someone in that mold but I’m honestly not sufficiently familiar with the midmajors to know who the up and coming talent is…
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Nov 29, 2010 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And having said that...
…the name “Jerry Kill” jumps out at me, somebody who has put Northern Illinois into the Top 25 and racked up a 10-2 record this year in the MAC. Three straight bowls counting this year – granted, the first two were losses, but three bowls would have matched our entire history until 2008…
Not a blockbuster name, but certainly one who has taken his two talents and returned four, to get Biblical…although I don’t know if this comes with the kind of shine people are looking for. (I mean, hell, I’d love to throw Saban-type money at Jim Harbaugh, but I don’t see it happening…)
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
I like the sound of that. I mean, I’d love to have someone who has won in BCS conferences and has never failed, but I don’t think you get that kind of option. So unless you take the damaged good route (which I am not against, but find unlikely) you are either going to get someone who hasn’t been on the big stage yet, but has succeeded everywhere he’s been, or someone who has maybe done solid, but certainly no big success on the big stage.
Another name that I wonder if we might consider is Dirk Koetter, but his foray into big conference coaching didn’t turn out too well, and that was only the Pac-10, so you wonder what the SEC would do to him.
I feel like the conference realignments might limit our options. With coaches at Utah, TCU, etc getting into BCS conferences, their coaches are probably better off than they would be at Vandy as they’ll have easier paths.
I don’t imagine Hill and especially Ault are in any hurry to leave considering how long they’ve been there.
I could see Petersen leaving at some point, I don’t think he’s wedded to Boise for life, especially since he’s still in non-AQ purgatory.
That said, if I were him I’d be enjoying the heck out of antagonizing the BCS. And honestly, AQ or not, is Vandy really a better place to be than Boise? But I still can’t believe Hawkins left for Colorado.
If Petersen does bolt somewhere sooner or later, I’d be interested to see how he does after Hawkins flopped. Makes you wonder if that Boise success just doesn’t translate or if Petersen was the real talent of the operation.
Wow, that is some righteous indignation.
The comments quoted above are silly, especially the one about the passing game. No doubt Navy’s offense has been very successful, but that is not really the point. I actually think Vandy should consider running a more unique scheme.
The point though is that Vandy needs someone to bring some excitement to the program. Paul Johnson would do that. Ken Niumatalolo would do that. Ivin Jasper would not. After all even you misspelled his name.
Also, who calls the plays at Navy? I know CPJ called the plays when he was there and I am guessing that he was his own offensive coordinator (he doesn’t have one at Georgia Tech). I am just curious if Ken of Ivin calls the plays? Thanks
Ivin Jasper
G Twill and Train Island make very good points. My indignation was based more on other comments that seem to shoot the guy down without recognizing all of his accomplishments or success at Navy. Ivin Jasper does make the offensive calls with support obviously from the booth upstairs and from his Slot Back coach Joe DuPaix. If he were to be hired I would bet $$ that Joe would be brought along as his Offensive coordinator. I hope not, I coach his son in basketball as well as the wide receiver coach’s son and both are great athletes. Yes a bit of selfishness there.
You certainly know more about what is right for Vandy than I do. ( I am Vandy fan though no association with the school.) I just think that if a coach can come into Vandy and start winning, they will quickly forget he is a no name. No way would he be able to run the exact offense that Navy does but modified versions like PJ ran last year (not sure about this season) seem to work pretty well against top notch schools. For the most part, who heard of Paul Johnson before turning Navy around. Good luck!
Good points
Thanks for the info as well.
by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Part of the biggest problem for Vandy is excitement
Which is running low at this point, even for Vanderbilt I think (or maybe more correctly, I’ve only been here 2 seasons and good grief I hope this is a low point in excitement).
The whole point is that part of the thing the administration needs to do in this coaching search is prove to their fan base that they actually do care about the football team.
Fans get sick of hearing SEC windbags (looking at you, Finebaum, you pompous ass) that Vanderbilt is a joke that will never have a good football team don’t deserve one anyway.
This is the first major coaching search since we did away with the AD, and I think the administration knows that fans have felt they were complacent far too long with the current/previous coaching staff. They need to prove to us fans that we weren’t wasting our time defending our program.
For this reason, it isn’t necessarily even about the most talented coach we can get, because to some extent his success, at least at first, will show in his ability to get the fans first to believe, not that the program can be better (we all believe that it can and should) but that it WILL be better.
Winning can and should be the biggest criterion in the coaching search, but the administration knows that the natives are restless (which was what those quotes in the article demonstrate). The Vandy fans that do care will not accept “Trust us, this will work.” from the administration, which is why fans would not be happy with Jasper.
It’s not him, it’s us.
If you guys are willing to consider damaged goods...
At least have Gary Barnett down for an interview. You might pick up some good questions vis a vis recruiting, winning and stoking belief in the fan base of a nationally-known, locally ignored fine academic school that you can ask a guy you are serious about.
I'd be happier if this were 2002...
…but alas, no time travel.
I put Gary B. in the same category as, say, Mike Leach – a guy with nontrivial baggage who nonetheless has something worth considering. With Barnett it’s the fact that he DID get Northwestern to a Rose Bowl, with Leach it’s that he did put together a very impressive-looking offense (albeit one that might falter in a conference where defense isn’t an afterthought the way it’s been lately in the Big XII).
Neither of these guys really strikes me as a Vandy hire with the baggage, which perversely makes me wonder if they’re not just the sort of thing we should be looking at to demonstrate that we’re no longer looking for the most polite hall monitor at McGugin. Maybe you don’t marry them, but you might improve your rep in the foolin’ around…
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
Completely agree with you...
It would have been a much better idea in 2002. I’ve softened up on Gary after all the bad feelings about his leaving NU. I guess I figure he got his at Colorado, where the intervening years were probably worse than they were at NU, and now it’s time to forgive and be thankful for what he did here. So if he got into the rumor mill he might be able to get himself a better commentary gig – I don’t even know where he’s at now.
Vandy could commit more egregious wastes of time than interviewing him. He’s one of the few guys available who ever actually did what you’d like to have done.
You might also want to keep close with any hero alumni linebackers who might or should be considering career redirection. Not for this time, probably, but maybe down the line.
by subwayalum90 on Nov 29, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Completely Unsubstantiated Rumor!
Rich Rodriguez!
by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 29, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions
The damaged goods theory doesn't work
when he doesn’t realize he’s damaged.
That guy is totally oblivious to the fact that he’s done and he’s going to be accepting a job at a mediocre Pac 10 school before 2012.
I’m going to go ahead and call him at Arizona basically at random.
Just for my own perverse interest...
…I’m calling a one-to-one swap with Stanford. He can run his option into the teeth of the Cal and Oregon State defenses for a while. =)
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Nov 30, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Why no alums?
Isn’t it amazing that there are very few, if any, Vandy football alums in coaching? I would assume it is because their degrees have taken them into private industry and taking low pay to start climbing the coaching ladder is insufficient given their alternatives. I was just sitting here trying to think of a Vandy connection in the coaching field, but have come up with nothing. It appears we can’t even appeal for the hero alum to come home (although that didn’t work with Watson).
by Smoke n Mirrors on Nov 29, 2010 9:19 PM EST reply actions
Blue-sky thinking...
Corey Chavous has apparently become a draft guru. His obsession with watching tape is well known going back to Vandy days and is probably what helped him have a fine NFL career, and he now plies his trade via draftnasty.com in football and basketball recruiting. At the very least, he might be worth a call as an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator, if he feels like going into coaching at all…
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

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