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Can Taylor and Jenkins Appease the Ghosts of Vanderbilt Past?

The ghosts of 2007 hang over Memorial Gym, and they can only be exorcised by a NCAA Tournament win. The Commodores haven't won a game in the big dance since the glory days of Shan Foster, Derrick Byars, and team MVP Ted Skuchas. The memories of these Vanderbilt standouts haunt the hallowed halls of America's greatest basketball gym, sustained by the raising of banners that merely say "NCAA First Round" rather than "Sweet Sixteen" or better. It has been almost four years since two SEC Players of the Year brought the 'Dores within a Jeff Green travel of heading to a first-ever Elite Eight. While there have been some good moments in the interim, there hasn't been a single shining moment in March.

However, Byars and Foster may have left the blueprint for success behind with them in 2007. They took a team that ran two-deep with all-SEC talent and packed with veteran role players and rode them through a turbulent regular season and into the Sweet Sixteen. Now, the question that the 2010-2011 'Dores will have to answer is this: Can John Jenkins and Jeffery Taylor lead this team to NCAA Tournament success?

Certainly, it's asking a lot of the two young players, but athletically the pair are built to exceed the accomplishments of the dynamic duo before them. However, they have a lot to do before they can catch up to the output that Byars and Foster created. The biggest stretch may be hoping that Taylor can match the production that Byars provided for the 2006/07 team, as the Virginia transfer put together one of the best all-around seasons in Vanderbilt history in his last year. Optimistically, similarities exist for the two players that suggest this is possible.

Byars used his outside shooting, complemented by a NBA-ready body and athletic all-around game to become an offensive force. Taylor has grown into a similar beast, only using the opposite combination to get where he is today - starting with athleticism and growing his shot from there. While it's unlikely that JT can become the consistent three-point threat that Byars was, his slashing game and bulked up frame gives him the opportunity to attack the basket more aggressively than his predecessor could.

Star-divide

The key to this transformation will be whether or not Jeffery Taylor can embrace the number one option like Derrick Byars did. As Vanderbilt dealt with early struggles, Byars put the team on his back and the ball in his hands as he led the team to one of the most memorable seasons in school history. He took 180 more shots and got to the free throw line nearly twice as often as he did during his junior year, allowing his confidence and scoring ability to open up the floor for his supporting cast. Despite losing some efficiency, he made that team better through his leadership. His final stat line of 17 points, five rebounds, 3.5 assists, and 1.5 steals per game showcased his all around performance - though Vandy's 22 wins was the better indicator of his talent.

Can Jeffery Taylor make this jump? Physically, all signs point to yes. The most encouraging sign that Taylor could fill Byars's shoes at small forward is a look at their statistics. Here's what Byars did in his first season as a 'Dore compared to Taylor as a sophomore:

Derrick Byars
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 VAN 31.5 12.4 3.6 3.2 2.4 1.33 1 0.2 2.3 0.483 0.716 0.441 1.38
Jeffery Taylor
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2009-2010 VAN 26.8 13.3 5.2 1.7 2.2 0.77 1.1 0.4 2.6 0.493 0.746 0.091 1.46

The two produced at a similar rate in their seasons before taking over as the primary scoring option on their team (as Taylor is expected to do in 2011). While Byars had a more diverse overall game, Taylor was the more efficient scorer and defender. Talent-wise, you can make the argument that the Swedish Eagle is in better position for a breakout than Byars was. Mentally? No one knows but Taylor himself.

However, he can't do it alone, and much like Byars he'll have a sidekick pushing the team's surge to the top of the SEC. Shan Foster was supposed to be the alpha dog of that 2007 team, but ceded to his backcourt mate as option 1B on offense. His usually solid three-point stroke was glitchy that year, but he still kept opposing defenses honest by using his quickness to drive inside and expanding his game within the perimeter. As the season progressed, there was no doubt who the team's two leaders were, and despite having similar strengths, the pair carried the 'Dores deep into the NCAA Tournament.

Like Foster, John Jenkins is a silky smooth shooter who was a headline-grabbing recruit for Kevin Stallings. However, he's been shown to be more one-dimensional early in his career than Foster (who played as a big man in high school) had been. Jenkins, so far, has been brought along as a pure shooter without the length or interior game that Foster possessed - but is still very young. While the 6'4" sophomore has shown tremendous poise and value in his time in Nashville, he needs to develop a more polished all-around game in order to become a star. While shooting is a huge part of entrenching yourself in Vanderbilt lore, he needs to expand his horizons in order to have the type of impact that lifts both himself and his teammates up.

Shan Foster used his sophomore and junior seasons to create a name for himself while strengthening his leadership abilities. Jenkins has the same opportunity ahead of him in 2011. He's already shown that he's ready to take big shots, and this season promises more chances for JJ to play the hero. Thanks to Sugar Shan, a pretty successful blueprint has already been laid out for him - and his coaching staff - at shooting guard.

Jenkins has the talent to get there, and he's already showing promise as option 1B for this team. Behind him, this team has all the ability of the 06/07 squad, just appropriated differently. While the '07 team was stocked with more pure shooters (Alex F-ing Gordon, Dan Cage, Jermaine Beal, Alan Metcalfe...sort of), this team is more athletic, stronger in the paint, and better suited to run the floor. Behind the two stars, here's a breakdown of the rotations:

*06/07 *10/11
PG Alex Gordon Brad Tinsley
PF Ross Neltner Andre Walker
C Alan Metcalfe Festus Ezeli
Rotation: Dan Cage Lance Goulbourne
Ted Skuchas Steve Tchiengang
Jermaine Beal Kyle Fuller
JeJuan Brown Rod Odom

The talent is there, and these Commodores have a similar mix of veteran glue guys and young athletes that can shake up games throughout the year. In fact, it's no stretch to say that this squad, from top to bottom, is comprised of better basketball players than the 06/07 team. What it doesn't have right now - as far as we can tell - are leaders. Can Jeffery Taylor and John Jenkins step into that role? Will glue guys like Andre Walker and Brad Tinsley be enough to drive this team like Alex Gordon or Ross Neltner could when the stars' shots weren't falling? Most importantly, can this collection of young athletes - with 12 players returning from last year - come together as a team to rebound from a bitterly disappointing end to the 2010 season?

The weight of this team has been passed down from Jermaine Beal and A.J. Ogilvy. Jeffery Taylor put on 25 pounds of muscle in the offseason just to help him carry it. He can't do it alone, and if no other Commodores can step up and help him shoulder the burdens of leadership, we'll be watching another hollow "First Round" banner get raised to the Memorial rafters.

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1A and 1B

I agree that we have to ride our top two players, but I would suggest that the leading scorer will be Jenkins and not Taylor, and it will not be particularly close, unless Jeff grealy increases his three point volume and accuracy. Jenkins was a part time player last season until the final handful of games, but what was amazing was how efficient he was in that role. He was given a very limited number of shots and clearly passed up a number of open looks in deference to the three older scorers on the team. Do not expect that this season, as his light is bright green. From an offensive talent standpoint, Jenkins is superior to Byars, Foster or Taylor, and is clearly comfortable shouldering a heavy scoring load. It is completely conceivable that he could nearly double his usage this season, and come very close (or go over) 20 ppg.

I also think that we will see Taylor take more shots, but it will not be as dramatic a jump, given that he was already pretty heavily utilized. Because of this, I would expect his scoring average to be somewhere around 15 ppg, unless the aforementioned increase in accuracy and volume of threes occurs. Together, I think you will see Taylor and Jenkins provide somewhere between 30 and 35 ppg, which would be in the Foster/Byars range.

From what I’ve seen so far, I feel very good about what we will get from Jenkins, and that he will be among the top three in scoring in the league. In my mind, he was probably one of the most overlooked players in the leage.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

My concern

Is that his volume shooting will make him an easy target for opposing defenders. That’s why having Taylor emerge as a more consistent scoring threat will be more important. Remember, we were saying the same thing about Foster in 06/07, and it was Byars all-around game that ended up being the biggest threat and made him a breakout player. Shan drew a lot of perimeter pressure and his inability to adjust sunk the team in their early season schedule – 0-5 shooting against Georgetown, 3-10 from 3 against Wake, 2-12 shooting against Furman(!). Once Byars adjusted and took over playmaker role, the team leveled out.

As the season progressed, Byars excelled despite originally looking like the #2 option on the team, and led them to victories. I think that’s what we’ll need to see from Taylor this year, just because JJ is going to draw a ton of perimeter pressure – opposing teams are going to force guys like JT, Fes, and Tinsley to beat us. The two will have to play off of each other like the dynamic duo of the past did – Taylor’s drives open up JJ’s shooting, JJ’s shooting open up Taylor’s drives – and I think that Taylor’s ability to get to the line and handle the ball better will end up making him the team’s 1A through SEC play.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 10, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Jenkins vs. Foster

Well, from an offensive ability standpoint, Jenkins is clearly a superior player at this point in their careers. Also Foster’s usage didn’t change between his sophmore seasons and junior season. The main difference was that he hit less threes but more twos, and made slightly more FT’s. Otherwise, his production was almost idential to the year before. Byars OTOH, used a ton more shots during his senior season, and was very efficient during his junior season – more so than Foster.

Really, in terms of usage, you have the comparisons reversed – except Jenkins was more underutilized that Byars was. That is why it should surprise noone if Jenkins leads the team in scoring by a wide margin.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

This is Taylor's team

Jason, I love the passion you bring to the table but this is Taylor’s team. Train Island is spot on with the article. Jenkins will contribute significantly to the success of this team, but he lacks the versatility of Taylor to keep the defense off of him. Jenkins will score more compared to last year (despite a drop in 3 pt%) but he will not outscore Taylor by 5 ppg as you suggest. Defenses will ride his jock on the arc similar to how we guarded Chris Lofton his Jr/Sr year. This will open up Tinsley for a much improved year and a balanced attack of 18 ppg for both Taylor and Jenkins

Memorial Maniacs love Jenkins’ 3-ball and there will be plenty of them to go around this year. But the early matchup with Mizzou (or WVU) will show you how much more versatile our 1A Taylor is than our 1B Jenkins.

by vanalyst on Nov 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Lofton scored 20.8 ppg his junior season

This was due to the open style of UT’s offense which allowed Lofton to get into space, and Lofton’s near unlimited range. You can try to ride his jock on the three point line, but he’s quick enough to create space, and has enough range and height to make the task near impossible.

If Taylor is to average 18 ppg, he is either 1) going to have to take a whole lot more shots or 2) become a whole lot more efficient. At last season’ efficiency, he would have to take something like 15-16 effective shots per game. That would put him on pace for over 100 more shot attempts than Byars took his senior season. Jenkins OTOH, can just flat out make shots from all over the court, and is much more difficult to defend than Foster was.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If we rely solely on Jenkins, we miss the NCAA

Set down your kool aid for just a second. I didn’t compare Lofton to JJ, I said JJ will be guarded similar to how we guarded Lofton. Comparing the two players would require an evaluation of offenses, surrounding cast, etc. that aren’t worth the time because UT sucks.

I love JJ and think he is an incredible shooter with 1st round talent in 2012. Your comment: “Jenkins OTOH, can just flat out make shots from all over the court, and is much more difficult to defend than Foster was” is inaccurate unless Jenkins learned how to post up and added 8 inches to his vertical this summer. Do you think John Wall would have blocked Foster’s over the head launch last year? What about the 9 in a row to finish off Mississippi State?

If your argument for Jenkins’ superior 2010/11 season comes true, Vandy will see the NIT.

by vanalyst on Nov 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree with Jason here.

I love Taylor. I think he’s one of the most solid players I’ve seen in a VU uniform, one of the best defenders, and quite possibly the best all-around athlete I’ve seen at VU. As this is essentially his senior year, I’m very hopeful that he’ll decide to take things over as Byars did.

However, Taylor isn’t a pure scorer. He’s been a very good opportunistic scorer, and has the potential to become a very good scorer, but we haven’t seen it yet. I hope you’re right, vanalyst, that he’ll step into that role this year.

Meanwhile, Jenkins is one of the best pure scorers in the country. He’s nowhere near the all-around player that Taylor is (yet), nowhere near the defender, and nowhere near the athlete … but he does have two characteristics that Taylor can’t match — the ability to put the ball in the basket from anywhere on the court, and the confidence that he’ll score every time he shoots the ball.

I appreciate the enthusiasm for Taylor, and I’m right there with you. But, I think you’re underestimating just what a special player John Jenkins is. The kid is brilliant. Enjoy the ride.

Jenkins – 19 ppg. Taylor – 16 ppg. Vanderbilt – 5 seed or better.

by BrianSWard on Nov 10, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we can all agree on one thing

John Jenkins is definitely slightly overrated or slightly underrated by Vandy fans right now.

If Taylor has added that elusive 3-pt range we’ve all been waiting for, I think he scores ~18/game in a good year. Either way, I don’t think Taylor and Jenkins have separation of more than 2 ppg in their averages if Vandy has a good year.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 10, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerk

You’re such a punk.

Oh wait … you were being gracious or something …

Hey, I’ll be ecstatic if Mr. Taylor averages 18 a game. Sign me up for that!

by BrianSWard on Nov 10, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Please reread

Where have I stated anywhere that we would solely rely on Jenkins? And you are smoking crack if you think that when Jenkins becomes our premier scorer, we will somehow be a worse team, or not NCAA worthy. Note that my analysis, while based on my impression of Jenkins, is also based on the stats and overall usage of the two players. Note that at the end of the season, when his usage did go up, his scoring went up as well without a very big hit to his efficiency.

I compared Jenkins to Lofton, because they are similar players, moreso than Jenkins to Foster. And regardless of how we tried to defend him, he found ways to get his shot off, despite having the same approximate vertical as Jenkins, but being only 6’ tall.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Foster's usage didn't change from his sophomore to junior years because of Byars's presence

But he started off the season as the #1 on offense, struggled, and Byars took over. Foster moved in from the perimeter as the result of defenders adjusting to his threat on the arc and deferred more to the senior.

My concern is that while Jenkins is ready for a big role, he may have a similar outcome to Foster in his junior year. With a perimeter oriented game opposing defenses will key on him, just like they did with Foster early in the season. In 06/07, this led to a series of dumb losses before Byars took over. We may see the same with Jenkins angling for a breakout year. If he can’t deal with the pressure – like Foster couldn’t – then Taylor is going to have to have a big year as 1A. That’s how it happened in the team’s last Sweet Sixteen run and it’s a definite possibility to happen this year.

Jenkins is clearly the better player, but has the less diverse game in comparable points in their careers (Foster as a JR, Jenkins as a Soph). Defenses can gameplan for him better than Taylor, and that’s going to make him a focal point early in the season. If he can’t handle the pressure (Foster couldn’t, and his usage dropped, ceding to Byars, who could take over), then Taylor is going to have to be the top dog. I think this is the likely scenario early in the season. Jenkins is talented as hell, but young and still developing the other facets in his game.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 10, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Foster and Jenkins are not similar players

from a sylistic standpoint. Foster was tall, lanky, and a very good leaper, but had poor ballhandling skills and below average lateral quickness. This meant that he rarely got by his man on the dribble, and it took a while for him to get his shot off. Only his funky release and high vertical on his jumper allowed him to get so many shots off. Jenkins OTOH has a very quick release, good ball handling skills, and good lateral quickness, which opens up a whole range of moves off the dribble that just weren’t available to Foster. Also, note that Byars was tremendously underutilized during his junior season – he shot over 48% from the field and 44% from three. If ever there was a guy who needed to be encouraged to shoot a whole lot more, it was Byars. Taylor was not anywhere near that level of efficiency.

If you want a preview, look at the first two exhibition games and the shot distribution. Jenkins has taken a total of almost 34 offfensive possesions in the first two games, compared to almost 25 for Taylor. This against two teams with rather smaller front lines than we will see, but lots of guards. And again, Jenkins was more efficient than Taylor was. But the shot distribution is almost always by design, as CKS will steer the shots to the players he wants taking the shots – which is why he will let Jenkins take any open jumper and give him lots of latitude within the offense.

I suppose we’ll just have to see how the season plays out, but Jenkins is by far the most talented shot maker that has come through the program since I’ve been following it 1990). Ahead of McCaffery, MacMahon, Langhi, Freije, Byars and Foster. He is just a great shot maker, and if there is one thing that CKS and staff are really good at, it is getting touches to their best shotmakers.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're overrating Jenkins right now

While he had a great freshman year I think you’re setting your expectations too highly for him if you’re not expecting some growing pains in his sophomore year. His ballhandling isn’t great for a SG and it shows when he moves in traffic. He doesn’t turn the ball over much because he doesn’t pass or move with the ball as much as a standard SG.

He’s gone from the 4th option on offense to option 1b, and defenders will now be keying on him and throwing a lot of different looks his way. And while he’ll start the season with a high usage rate, as shown in the exhibition games, if he stumbles he has precious key other elements in his game to rely on. Look at the way the UK dealt with him in Nashville last season – with a premiere defender covering him, he struggled. Without Jermaine Beal drawing the fastest guy in the opposing backcourt, JJ will have more trouble getting his shot off this season.

That’s why Taylor is so important, and why 06/07 may be key. While I don’t dispute the fact that Jenkins could be the team’s top scorer, Taylor will be the most important player on the squad because of his versatility. Your assessment about Jenkins’s shooting ability is dead on, but calling him a better shooter than guys who were #1 options for past Vandy teams and drew the #1 defensive assignments from opposing coaches is a bit premature. I’d love it if Jenkins could efficiently score 18-20 ppg this season, but based on the team’s makeup, it might be too soon to count on that.

Fortunately, we have another player to shoulder the load in Taylor, and if he can ease some of the defensive pressure on the perimeter, it will really give Jenkins a chance to shine. As a result, the more Taylor scores, the more Jenkins will be able to – and I think the two will put up similar PPG numbers this season.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

UK in Nashville

I don’t know how useful an example that is for this discussion. Yes, if you put one of the best on the ball defenders in John Wall against Jenkins, he will have difficulty, and when we go against not only the tallest team in the country, but also the most athletic, he will likely struggle, because they have the length and athleticism to guard him all over the floor. But we will face nobody this year who has the athleticism of Wall. Nor will we face a team as tall as UK was last season, and very likely will not face anyone with the same athleticism. On the flip side look at what he did to UF and their zone. Or UGA. Most teams will have noone near as good as Wall, nor be able to constantly defend Jenkins to 23 feet.

Note that I have not dismissed Taylor’s importance, as he is probably the most important player on the team. But this is a different thing than being the best scorer. Taylor will probably take more shots, and be a focal point for us, but it will be very difficult for him to lead us in scoring this season – he was not as efficient as Byars was as a junior, so would have to make major strides in his shotmaking outside of layups and freethrows.

It pretty much boils down to how good you think Jenkins can be. He didn’t simply have an efficient season last year. He was the 2nd most efficient player in the league (behind an almost criminally underused Patrick Patterson), and was the 13th most efficient player in the nation. And of the 12 player ahead of him, only 4 used more possessions than Jenkins. And all ahead of him (and the next five guys behind him) were juniors and seniors. The next freshman to appear was at #39, and he played in the mountain west. Jenkins was very efficient overall, but probably at least 1 standard deviation more efficient than the average freshman. Jenkins acheived in his first season a level of efficiency that is elusive for all but a handful of juniors and seniors.

Note that the largest jump in efficiency comes between the freshman and sophmore season. While it is very possible that Jenkins numbers could tumble with a large increase in usage, it is also possible that his familiarity with the college game, along with his physical improvements could soften the fall significantly. There is a reason that everybody here (and people all over Nashville who usually don’t pay that much attention) were so excited about Jenkins – he is a special player.

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We'll have to see how it turns out

I appreciate the examples that you’re putting out there, and there’s a lot of relevance there. Jenkins’s mindset and swagger certain help nullify some of the concerns about him hitting a sophomore slump. However, there’s still room for concern since he’s such a young player.

I’m not saying that he’ll be anything worse than option 1B, but that a slump is entirely possible and if that happens we can look at 2007 for scoring examples. If he keeps up the efficiency he can lead the team – but in honesty, I am a bit concerned that he could become a black hole – partially due to a lackluster exhibition opener.

Regardless of how either he or Taylor play though, I think that we can both agree that their leadership will have to fill the void that Jermaine Beal left for this team to be successful.

By the way, thanks for all the comments. I think this by far has been the best comment conversation we’ve ever had on this site. Lots of good stuff going on.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 10, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

PPG doesn't always prove whose team it is

I honestly haven’t read all the stuff preceding. It was getting long and I think I got the gist. But I think this HAS to be Taylors team or we probably are an NIT team. But I wouldn’t say that Taylor taking over as he needs to necessarily means he leads the team in scoring.

I mean, obviously, he’ll have to score a lot to make teams focus on him. But if we get the ball in his hands more and more, I wonder if we might see him dish a bit more. To me, this team doesn’t do much at all if JT isn’t the playmaker. It will be up to JT to break the other teams down. He is just the one guy who teams really can’t guard.

The thing about Jenkins is, he can be guarded. He really isn’t (at least not at this point) going to be someone who could carry a team alone. He either needs another star to make space for him, or we have to run our offense extremely well as a team to get him chances. If teams have to stack up to stop Jeff, there will be tons of opportunities for JJ.

I think we all agree that Jeff or JJ is going to lead the team in scoring. If JT leads the scoring, clearly it’s his team. If JJ is the leading scorer, it will mean one of 2 things: he was chucking up tons of shots, including forcing a lot of shots, on a mediocre team, or Taylor made space for him.

No matter who is finishing the plays, I think Jeff has to be the one who makes the plays. If we go anywhere this year, it will start with Jeff.

by The Goche on Nov 10, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

PS

How on earth did we miss the opportunity to call JJ “Johnny Three-Balls”?

Was this not suggested when AoG was choosing his nickname?

by The Goche on Nov 11, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%, The Goche ...

with your post on this needing to be “Taylor’s team”. Every point you made is valid. We need Taylor to be assertive and a focal point in our offense, in order to get close to our potential – he can’t be waiting for someone else to create opportunities for him, or just for opportunistic buckets. He needs to be aggressive in looking to score, and willing to create for his teammates.

Let me make this very clear — AOG has NEVER decided on a nickname for John Jenkins. They had some ridiculous idea back in the Spring, which they thought was the cat’s backside, and tried to force it down our throats … but we successfully revolted. I don’t believe there’s been a formal attempt at approving a nickname for him since then.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong. (It happens a lot.)

Oh, and … Johnny Three-Balls? Wow. Nice.

by BrianSWard on Nov 11, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't you put KJ's terrible nickname choices on all of us

Besides, Three-sus was widely voted down by site vote. I think he’s still officially nickname-less. Hopefully we can come up with another name as solid and embraced as Stevie Thunder.

by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 11, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, apologies. I only read the headline from last year. I was not aware until I looked back at the comments that it had been rejected.

It’s no Stevie Thunder…but really, what is.

by The Goche on Nov 11, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Think back to last year, when JJ launched that three vs UK in memorial, were you happy with that shot? I think this gets to the center of the debate. Last possession down by 2; who do you want to have the ball? JJ on a catch and shoot 3 or a JT slash hoping for at least a trip to the foul line?

I’m actually really happy with both of these options and look forward to seeing some magic this Friday.

by Dore09 on Nov 11, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What we can all agree on

Is that we don’t want AJ Ogilvy pushing some no-spin shot-put looking lame-duck floater from the free throw line with Jeff cutting to the basket wide open.

Ugh…

by The Goche on Nov 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely Taylor

But even this is somewhat of a separate question. Taylor is unique because of his ability to create space and get his shot off against most anybody, an ability that surpasses anybody that I’ve seen in a Vandy uniform in 20 years. But I would likewise rather Taylor take that shot over Lofton or Curry, though he will not reach either of those two in scoring average.

One more way to look at things. Even if Jenkins usage didn’t go up at all, but he simply goes from a part-time reserve to 30+ mpg player, his scoring could go to over 16 ppg due to his efficiency. Jenkins used around 18% of the teams possessions while on the floor, compared to 26.6% of possessions used by Taylor. Since Jenkins is not particularly foul prone (and due to our lack of depth at guard), it is easy to see his playing time go up a whole lot. Add in a modest increase in usage, and his shot attempt will skyrocket without his having to go very far out of his comfort zone. Jenkins could probaby shoot 50% more shots this season with only a minor jump in overall usage, and we will require his usage to go up significantly.

Either way, somebody has to take more shots, and even if Taylor and Jenkins combine for 50% usage while they are on the court, Tinsley, Ezeli and Walker all have to increase their usage pretty significantly, as do the guys off the bench. But given that Taylor already took a good percentage of our possessions, who would you rather give the possessions used up by Beal and Ogilvy to – Jenkins, Tinsley, Ezeli or Walker?

by Jason Fukuda on Nov 11, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we all agree on at least one thing?

As much as we all love Ted Skuchas, the 2007 team just didn’t have anybody as bloody frightening as FESTUS EZELI.

Jenkins can take as many shots as he wants, because Ezeli will get every offensive rebound available and slam every one of them back home, en route to 40 point, 30 rebound Wilt-esque junior year average. UNSTOPPABLE!!

#Hyperbole

by BrianSWard on Nov 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Love this team

I love this team, but I can’t get over the sinking memory of watching JJ run around screens late last year and still not getting a good look at the basket. Even when CKS ran double and triple screens for him, sometimes he still had trouble getting separation. I think it will be interesting to see when a JT type defender is put right up in JJ’s face; ie John Wall blocking his 3 last year. I have dreams at night of JJ expanding his game to going backdoor on those screens and rounding out his offense, which hopefully will open up the gameplan like 2004 sweet 16 run. With another year under Stalling’s guidace, JJ might feel more comfortable to expand his repertoire to more than just a catch and shoot player.
I’m also inclined to agree that JT will probably be the man this year, but on the other hand how can I look past JJ – the dude averaged 40 points a game in HS. Clearly he wants the ball and will have no trouble taking the team on his back if need be.
I think what I’m most excited about is the defensive performance. It seems like its all the players have talked about, and I absolutely would love to see a team that can put up 70-80 points a game who also is tough on the other end of the court. Overall I’m really pumped and can’t wait to see how it all plays out. I’ve got all the faith in the world in Stallings and am hoping for a great year!

911 calls Festus in case of emergency.

by Dore09 on Nov 10, 2010 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Vandy 1-0

One game into the season and Jenkins is 0-6 from the arc. Jason, I hope you didn’t jinx him. Let’s hope he is saving is 6-6 for games that count.

by vanalyst on Nov 12, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

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