SEC Power Poll: Week 5 Ballot
by KingJamesIV on Oct 5, 2010 9:20 AM EDT
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Per the usual, let me know where I'm wrong with a solid defense of your reasoning in the comments. A note: these will not jibe with the Blogpoll draft ballot I posted yesterday. I haven't adjusted that ballot yet, so the changes made in the comments are not going to be reflected quite yet. Also, I will be out of town a majority of today due to work and plan to incorporate any further comments today in to the final version. Your participation is extremely helpful.
On with the rankings:
- Alabama Crimson Tide - 5-0 (2-0)
- Arkansas Razorbacks - 3-1 (1-1)
- Auburn Tigers - 5-0 (2-0)
- LSU Tigers - 5-0 (3-0) - WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
- Florida Gators - 4-1 (2-1)
- South Carolina Gamecocks - 3-1 (1-1)
- Mississippi St. Bulldogs - 3-2 (1-2)
- Vanderbilt Commodores - 1-3 (1-1)
- Tennessee Volunteers - 2-3 (0-2) - Moral victories don't really count for anything, Vol fans. Trust us. We're experts.
- Kentucky Wildcats - 3-2 (0-2) - Sugar-induced coma after all those cupcakes...
- Georgia Bulldogs - 1-4 (0-3)
- Mississippi Rebels - 3-2 (1-1) - How long am I supposed to keep holding that J-State loss against them? What's the protocol there?
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Pretty good
I’d bump us to 9th, behind Tennessee. You’re correct that moral victories do not count, but neither do 19-point losses to Big East teams. LSU is our only common opponent of the year, and the Vols played much better against the Tigers. Tennessee played Florida tough, and it’s only blowout loss was a 2nd Half flop against Oregon. LSU did not play particularly well in Nashville, but they still beat us by 24. Northwestern was a tough loss, but the Wildcats do not measure up to LSU or Florida. Obviously, UConn was a total debacle against the 4th or 5th best team in a crappy conference. Sure, we have the lone SEC win, but Tennessee has looked better in conference play against two very tough opponents.
Neither Vandy nor the Vols are very good, but for now I’d rank UT slightly higher.
Sadly, I agree
UT has looked like the better team so far, they’ve had better losses, and we’ve gotten spanked by a team whose previous best win was over Buffalo.
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by Christian D'Andrea on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
But one SEC win is better than none. They can pass us when they win a conference game.
Ole Miss?
If that’s the criteria, can’t leave Ole Miss in last – and definitely can’t leave them below Kentucky.
They beat Kentucky last weekend
Understood, but it seems a little uneven to say that UT is below us because we have a conference win and then apply a different policy to Ole Miss – especially when they beat winless (in the SEC) Kentucky last weekend.
Ole Miss obviously is not good, but I just don’t see how Kentucky is rated ahead of them the week after losing by a touchdown in Oxford.
That's how you do these polls
You decide what you want to prove, and then decide what criteria you can invoke to prove it.
I’m really not even kidding. I’ve filled out a bunch of these. You generally end up with a bunch of conflicting criteria you have to reconcile, so you just choose which outcome you want.
That said…. put us back behind Tennessee. A pedestrian LSU destroyed us in the 4th quarter. A bad UConn destroyed us in the second half. Tennessee’s resume is bad, but it makes ours look silly.
If this VU team is the 8th-best team in this conference, I’m all for taking away the SEC’s automatic BCS spot.
L-S-Who?
They have no offense. I’d reorder as follows:
Auburn, South Carolina (shudder), Florida, LSU
I agree, though I certainly like this better than the computer based output for the top 25 from yesterday. I don’t think this is bad at all and I don’t have a huge preference for reordering.
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I’m fine with Vandy over Tennessee, considering the Tennessee-UAB game. Also in favor of Vanderbilt: I’m actually looking forward to the Tennessee game this year.
And I’d be okay with swapping Ole Miss and Georgia, though I’m also fine with how they stand and as a Mississippi State fan, I love seeing Ole Miss at the bottom.
Really, I think that if Georgia loses to Tennessee and Vanderbilt, they deserve to be in last place. I’d say until then, Ole Miss can be stuck at the bottom (with a bye this week and Alabama coming up next there won’t be much to justify moving them up).
Tn - UAB: .... but there is such a thing as moral losses
Close wins hurt you but close losses can’t help you? That’s the only way I can make sense of your decision to penalize Tn for UAB but not credit them for LSU.
Well, unless you’re a VU homer (but it’s too soon for me to tell).
reply to lsmsrbls
I clicked the reply link several times, so I still don’t know how that works.
I think close wins hurt you and close losses help you. But not enough that Tennessee’s close loss to LSU salvages the rest of their season so far. After all, I agreed with bend963’s ranking that would have LSU placed 6th in the SEC.
Vanderbilt has one win over Ole Miss. Tennessee has two wins (with an extra game) over Tennessee-Martin and UAB. I give the edge to Vanderbilt there, and think Tennessee’s close win over UAB hurts them at least as much as the close loss to LSU helps them.
Tennessee has lost to better teams, but Vanderbilt could have lost to them just as well. All other things being equal, in two weeks they’ll both have played Georgia, as well, and at that point I’d favor giving the edge to Tennessee assuming they also play demonstrably better than Vanderbilt against the bulldogs.
And let’s not forget that Vanderbilt also had a close loss to an unbeaten team.
LSU in 7th I guess…
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